93 Responses to “Test Build 13, fixes most of 12’s issues”

1. Alex - # February 14th, 2007 at 12:10 pm

   Yay! but how do you download it? just redownload 12?

2. Data - # February 14th, 2007 at 12:11 pm

   nono hold on one minute

3. Officer_Bulbock - # February 14th, 2007 at 12:29 pm

   This will shut up those whiners

4. Fat Zombie - # February 14th, 2007 at 12:32 pm

   Cool! Already another build, he says? Oy!

   Anyway. AWESOME NEW BUILD! TOTALLY EXTREME, TO THE MAX! WOO! etc.

   Mouse-keyboard is brilliant, CPU skirmishes equals more entertainment, flyng and things.

5. Ye - # February 14th, 2007 at 12:33 pm

   2 new builds in 1 day?!!?? COOL

6. p3lb0x - # February 14th, 2007 at 12:35 pm

   i will put up another rapidshare link since the same thing that happened with the last build prolly will happen with this one too

7. robburdon - # February 14th, 2007 at 12:35 pm

   wow well done data. You obviously have worked hard.

8. KarvaBopi - # February 14th, 2007 at 12:35 pm

   that was fast.

   And YE this is just a “patch” what fixes bugs what came wit the 12.

9. robburdon - # February 14th, 2007 at 12:39 pm

   yeah, download is very slooowww.

10. BreenedandScrooned - # February 14th, 2007 at 12:50 pm

    Yay! Sounds good, I’m downloading now.

11. Metroid48 - # February 14th, 2007 at 12:53 pm

    Yah!

    This is so great, I’m glad this version’s released… it’s so great!!!

12. MaximDude - # February 14th, 2007 at 12:53 pm

    IM SO DOWNLOADIN!!!!!
    was the sharp aim fixed too???
    I really disliked the fact you cant aim and move and it takes about 1000ms to be activated, i liked it to be instant

13. Data - # February 14th, 2007 at 1:01 pm

    maxim, those are intentional design choices made after about a week of testing different things.. walking and sharp aiming isn’t realistic and if it flies out immediately, the experience becomes very unsettling since the view keeps fluttering around a bit too much.

    We might make the delay a little less though.

14. The Independent Gaming Source - # February 14th, 2007 at 1:09 pm

    [...] This new build should fix a bunch of the issues with the previous version. Download here, alright? [...]

15. MaximDude - # February 14th, 2007 at 1:25 pm

    Oh ok, now that i played it for awhile, it rocks!! as usual… always rocks, but, i am dissapointed with the jetpack, was it made even weaker or is it just my computer acting crazy? I cant seem to stay in air longer then a few seconds and i always get the weak burst… Any reason whay it could happen?

16. Data - # February 14th, 2007 at 1:35 pm

    You’re going crazy

    Only thing that changed was that the burst will happen more reliably.

17. robburdon - # February 14th, 2007 at 1:36 pm

    it might be the gravity. there might be changes in the pyscics sim that altered it.

18. Kurrus - # February 14th, 2007 at 1:38 pm

    D/Ling now. Sounds neat.

19. Data - # February 14th, 2007 at 1:42 pm

    Oh crap… just realized there’s a major bug. Don’t download this, i’m updating the file.

20. BreenedandScrooned - # February 14th, 2007 at 1:42 pm

    Good job, Data, now it’s perfect. But the BG Arm still goes all crazy when you reload, but it doesn’t affect anything.

21. MaximDude - # February 14th, 2007 at 1:52 pm

    Updating? Bug? Do i need to download agai?

22. Data - # February 14th, 2007 at 1:59 pm

    maxim, only if you have problems with it exiting while configuring controls. That’s the only thing that has been fixed.

23. AquaGeneral - # February 14th, 2007 at 2:45 pm

    p3lb0x thanks for putting it on RapidShare.de I don’t want to spend an hour downloading 15MB.

    Thanks Data. 2 Builds In 1 day is really cool.

24. LordFrame - # February 14th, 2007 at 2:54 pm

    OMG!! NEW BUILD!!! pip pip pip piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii…… (DIED)

25. AquaGeneral - # February 14th, 2007 at 2:57 pm

    Sorry for the double post but.

    I have found a bug, when I set up mr Xbox 360 Wired Controller and get up to the step of when you need to tell CC what button is Start it automaticly closes, which does not let me play the game properly without Start and Back (Select).

26. :o - # February 14th, 2007 at 3:12 pm

    heh, 3 builds in one day

27. :o - # February 14th, 2007 at 3:37 pm

    I’ve uploaded cc13_fixed: http://rapidshare.com/files/16483052/ccsetup13.exe.html

    Data, can u remove the link from comment #10?
    Also, I found a bug: http://tinypic.com/47vse3a.jpg
    there’s an ak47 in front of my clone, I dropped it and it stays in the ground vertically. No red triangles above it, so I can’t pick it up. There might be some more new bugs

28. :o - # February 14th, 2007 at 3:40 pm

    + need function to remap “reset” key

29. Toeshi - # February 14th, 2007 at 4:08 pm

    Awesome, can’t wait till mods come out for this build.

30. Galaxy613 - # February 14th, 2007 at 4:37 pm

    Downloading now.. I hope this is a good build.

31. Armageddon1212 - # February 14th, 2007 at 4:56 pm

    When using mouse control for one player and keyboard control for another player, if the second player presses and buttons like i used L for fire, K for jump, j for inventory it will open player 1’s space ship as if its dropping something and its really annoying because it makes the open close sound XD! Also mouse controls are a little sensitive if you made a little cross hair it would be easier ( it could be optional if just playing campaign or something since it would make the person with the mouse have an easier time playing.) Also skeleton would be useful if it had a little jump. Just enough to get it unstuck in certain cases. Maybe just the tiniest bit of fuel for jet pack. Thanks

32. Galaxy613 - # February 14th, 2007 at 4:56 pm

    Nope, control remaps are still failing.

    The normal Keyboard + Mouse has the Keyboard section where WASD is, that is fine if you are going to do single player. But in order to do two player you have to remap the controls… when I remapped the controls some of the controls didn’t get remapped. Especially the fire control (I remapped to from H to Numpad 1, but H is still mapped as fire..) Other than that it looks good.

    Also, despite your claim that Grasslands works, it doesn’t. The brain IS in the ground, but it still declares it as a win for player one.

33. Barbalute - # February 14th, 2007 at 5:05 pm

    The only problem I’ve found is on grasslands, when you restart you get a win/loss depending on which team you’re on.
    Still really great!
    Grasslands works normally for me otherwise.

34. Juggz - # February 14th, 2007 at 5:10 pm

    Thanks Data, Works great now.

    Some suggestions:

    Shorten the time it takes to go into sharp, just a little.
    Maybe make it possible to walk very slowly while in sharp mode.

    Oh, and the Jetpack is much better now. Usually i didnt even get airborn before.

35. Omni (Omnimmotus) - # February 14th, 2007 at 6:02 pm

    Woah! I was playing Black & White 2 for a couple days and I come back to THIS. Nice! Good work.

36. iwillcontrolyou - # February 14th, 2007 at 6:26 pm

    hey Data, any chance you could release patches instead of/as an option to downloading the entire build again?

    it would help those as unfortunate as i that have dial-up….

37. Tacostank - # February 14th, 2007 at 7:45 pm

    data data data u ROCK!!!!!also in the weapon buying thing the 2 player guy cant move it up or down i cant choose my weapons try to fix it.

38. Data - # February 14th, 2007 at 8:14 pm

    tacostank, is that with build 13?? i thought i fixed that.
    Which control device is your player 2 using?

39. BreenedandScrooned - # February 14th, 2007 at 9:11 pm

    Wow, the picture of splitscreen got more replies than the actual build.

40. Durza - # February 14th, 2007 at 9:34 pm

    Thats because everyone was saying how much they couldn’t wait with the picture, and everyone is too busy playing it to comment on it.

41. Barbalute - # February 14th, 2007 at 10:49 pm

    Well Data, now that you’ve spoiled us, I think we’ll all be wanting 2 builds a day.

    You’d better get crackin’

42. AquaGeneral - # February 14th, 2007 at 10:53 pm

    No. Don’t pressure Data to make new builds. I would rather Data Release a new build every month so there will be more to look foward to isntead of getting bits and pieces of things (unfinished)

43. Joemikkel - # February 14th, 2007 at 11:45 pm

    I have a feeling people will be flocking to my comp at the Lan party. Better bring those two extra controllers
    Data, you really outdid yourself. I can’t believe how quickly you came out with the fixes.

    BTW, i think as of right now, this game has extremely high chances in the IGF. If you keep this up, CC will win next time for sure!

44. BreenedandScrooned - # February 14th, 2007 at 11:47 pm

    Yeah, especially if you can make the campaign mode.

45. Juggz - # February 15th, 2007 at 2:45 am

    Yes, congrats on the fast fixes.

    Your better than Garry

46. Ye - # February 15th, 2007 at 3:05 am

    Fuckin dammit, i broke my hand and now it’s in plaster(?)….
    I can’t play teh most bestest andeh newest CC! :””(
    Gooddamit

47. Nikola(Nikica) - # February 15th, 2007 at 3:36 am

    I hate that insta win thing!!!And why is the game starting with the loading???, and how to change controls becuase the key to move your weapon up(W) is the same for the jetpack and it says the L button is for jumping but i clicked it and i don’t jump!!!The aim is really good but bring back the jetpack with L!!!
    Oh i forgot to say that i miss the thing where you can’t win!!!

48. KarvaBopi - # February 15th, 2007 at 3:46 am

    All what i would need would be the scene editor or what it is?

49. Nikola(Nikica) - # February 15th, 2007 at 4:33 am

    EDIT:Ok i changed the controls but at the configuration it should say for “L” Jetpack and not Jump and when i click test nothing happens!!! PLease fix the insta win Data!!I miss the battle where you can’t win !!!Why the game starts with loading?, and when i play at the Prom Grounds with only one player(not with the friends, the characters that the cpu has from beginn doesn’t move,and there are no cpu skeletons,and why the cpu doesn’t sends blue clones, and the thing that you can send your actors, guns and rockets where you want should look better!!! Now i go play it i don’t tested the shield!!!

50. KaiserPanda - # February 15th, 2007 at 4:36 am

    I love this game. and I HATE this game. It’s so cool, but it’s so frustrating!!

    Please, for the love of god, make the dropships not controled by the player!! Sure, they’re fun to fly in to people, but that’s all you can do with the squirly things. When you’re trying to change characters, you jump across the dropship and your reinforcements become a deadly meteor. The damn things promptly kill your reinforcements after dropping them without your added help, even.

    The AI is my biggest agrivation. I’m going to try standing up to it with a friend on Friday, but there is no freaking way in hell a single person can do it. You can go kill the enemy brain, that’s easy since the AI doesn’t defend it. Try to have an actual game with the AI and it just floods your base. It would be fun to actualy FIGHT the AI, but you either run out of resources or they just circumvent you and kill the brain within moments.

51. Master Pimp - # February 15th, 2007 at 4:54 am

    Nikola(Nikica) do you have the newest version if you notice he updated this Build twice it’s like Build 13.2

    Great work on the fixes Data but the A.I is dumb again

    Oh and those of you who think it’s to easy to win, STOP PLAYING ON EASY TRY HARD!

52. MaximDude - # February 15th, 2007 at 5:00 am

    Hmmm, well everything seems to work fine for me, the jetpack aswell, i figured it out
    the jetpack really sucks on the robots but the colnes jetpacks work great (though it is the same jetpack, or is it? wierd…)

    Anyway it is teh own!

53. Juggz - # February 15th, 2007 at 5:54 am

    Haha the ai keeps beating me and my brother when its on death mode, i love it data

54. MaximDude - # February 15th, 2007 at 8:04 am

    Hmmm, yes the AI seems to be smarter, but its still too dumb to use the jetpack…..

55. KarvaBopi - # February 15th, 2007 at 9:51 am

    hmmm… i wonder is data working on build 14 XD i hope so

    If this build was this freggin good how good will be 14 ?!?!

56. Tomaster - # February 15th, 2007 at 10:50 am

    maybe on teh next build the skeletons could, instead of having no jstpack, just be able to “jump”(jetpack with invilsble immisions?)

57. Tomaster - # February 15th, 2007 at 10:58 am

    sry about teh double post and spelling errors

58. MaximDude - # February 15th, 2007 at 1:15 pm

    Hmmm…. Possible, it can be made with a rocket main thruster, by just making the fire balls full pink (Invisible) it will just look like theres no bire balls but it will fly the same

59. Pragma - # February 15th, 2007 at 1:50 pm

    Awesome tech-demo/beta. It’s like scorched earth meets tribes.

    I want to provide some quality feedback, but I have no idea where you’re trying to focus on improving this. That said, the following post is going to be all over the place.

    The major thing that seems to be in the way is how the enigne calculates collision between actors and the contour of the ground. Seems to me that performing collision based on a fuzzy average of the ground contour (rather than testing in a more pixel-perfect way) might help with the “sinking” problem.

    Other little nits include:

    - Bullets travel forever (I can shoot myself in the head if I’m up high enough). IMO, the Ak-47 should only have a range of about a screen, and the other weapons less than that, with the blunderbus being the worst.

    - AI seems to know enough to dig down into the bunker brain chamber, simply by stumbling back and forth.

    - The Selection indicator (little hand) simply isn’t flashy enough to demonstrate what you’re controlling. I’ve killed more guys after a drop this way, by accidentally vectoring the drop ship right onto them.

    - The drop ship itself seems to have a slight list to the right, no matter what.

    - The whole game really bogs down when there’s a lot of activity on the screen. I’d reccomend scaling back gaphics during a slowdown, when things are obviously CPU-bound IMO, this would help with online play if you’re headed that route.

    - Some matter doesn’t seem to be “insubstantial” enough, like bullet casings and “brain fluid”. Seems to me that mutual collisions with these kinds of particles shouldn’t necessarily create a pile of stuff.

    Obviously, CC isn’t play-balanced yet. But I do have a few suggestions on how to make CC a lot more fun:

    - I found that increasing the brain’s life to 1000 Health and 100 Wounds (Brain.ini) made for a more back-and-forth kind of game, which makes an initial rush on a base less of a problem.

    - A guard/attack/dig RTS-style command set would be a godsend in a game like this. Just let us use the “drop ship cursor” to select a target area for a given action. That way, the AI can simply make use of whatever loadout a given unit has. It would compliment the existing features nicely.

    Keep up the great work!

60. Data - # February 15th, 2007 at 2:03 pm

    Pragma and others, thanks for the excellent feedback. It is much appreciated.

    Next big build is going to focus on AI, and pragma is right on the money in terms of what we’ve got planned. You will be able to set your guys to one of four modes when you switch away from them: Sentry, Patrol, Attack, Gold Dig.
    The craft will have a set of modes as well.

    Yes, the ‘game’ is basically not in there yet at all. What you see currently is just the quickest scenario we threw together to test all the systems with. There are some great yet realistic things planned for the real gameplay, so stay tuned.

    Additionally, we will take a serious look at the root causes of the sinking and locomotion issues. It has to do with the fundamntal physics logic, and I’m confident that it can be fixed to work well on all machines. (faster machines exhibit less sinking in the sim)

61. numgun - # February 15th, 2007 at 2:26 pm

    Data, for the sake of modding can you please add these variables for the next build?

    —————————————–

    Code:
    ReloadingSprite (for devices)
    FrameCount = 2

    What if you have a weapon that needs to look diffirent when not active?
    Or maybe you would want to have an indicator light on the sprite that goes red when you reload?
    Or what if you want to make it look like its recharging energy visually?

    That code will enable all this.

    —————————————–

    Code:
    MassRecoil = 1 //Is a multiplier, 0 for no recoil from mass, 1 for normal and 2 for double recoil * mass.

    This is for bullets/rounds that you want to be really heavy but you want no ridiculous recoils.

62. numgun - # February 15th, 2007 at 2:30 pm

    Oh and btw, the ‘’stay” command for ships doesnt work.

63. Afroded - # February 15th, 2007 at 4:42 pm

    Pwnage im downloading this as i type!!

64. Afroded - # February 15th, 2007 at 4:42 pm

    done

65. switch - # February 15th, 2007 at 11:16 pm

    sorry for a dumb question but how do youacess the drop menue for player 1 in builpd 13 what key do you press?

66. MaximDude - # February 16th, 2007 at 2:42 am

    Player 1 is keyboard + mouse right?
    Then its Q+E together

67. KarvaBopi - # February 16th, 2007 at 5:25 am

    Simple question for Data if you see this:
    will the scene editor come to the next build ?

    and i dont wanna say that you are slow or something (or anything like that )
    You have any idea when will the next build come out ? after month? two ? next year? two weeks ? half year?

68. :o - # February 16th, 2007 at 6:00 am

    i’d like to see water in the final release.. yea, its very difficult to make it realistic.. but..

69. KarvaBopi - # February 16th, 2007 at 8:08 am

    i’d like to seee land vechiles !!!! it would be so cool
    Like you can put two guys in tank and when the tank gets hitted enought some parts fly off from it ( ofc from the spots where the bullets/explosions hit ) and you could like see the driver and the guy who is in the cannon. then you could put mines to slow it down ( destroying the “wheel things” duh… ). then the tank should have like own kinda dropship to drop.
    and ofc jeeps to send guys faster to somewhere ( if the maps will be huge in newer versions ).

70. KarvaBopi - # February 16th, 2007 at 8:11 am

    ofc in the next build or after that.
    Btw 69 post xD
    and if there would be water it would be like cool if you could manipulate it.

    And one thing what i would so much want now becose the better AI code is like you could place bunkers and stuff like that…

71. MaximDude - # February 16th, 2007 at 2:24 pm

    Hmmm, *halo flashback* W00t! WARTHOGS!!! WITH MOUNTED CHINGUNS!!! and it would be cool if there was a “Big scale veichle” dropship

    sorta like this:

    http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/7170/657xf1.png

72. Batesman - # February 16th, 2007 at 2:48 pm

    OOH!!! i havent downloaded cc 13 but ive had cc 12 for a while. ive been playing it so much i forgot to post a comment. THANKS DATA!!!

73. Barbalute - # February 16th, 2007 at 5:11 pm

    In addition to premade routines (dig, defend, etc.) I would really like to see a script editor or something where we can create our own custom behaviors, such as tunnel into enemy base, dive bomb, etc. That would really add a lot to the replayability.

74. sylverone - # February 17th, 2007 at 3:17 am

    Three cheers for Data, and cookies fo everyone! I love this new build! I’ll make a quick sum-up of what I like and dislike about it.

    Likes;
    1. I’m lovin’ the new AI. Like Data said, much nore deadly. It gives you a real rush when you’re boosting over an enemies head while they follow you with an arc of fire. They kill you dead.

    2. The shields are nice as well, giving the skeletons more of a chance for life, although not much more…;)

    3. The 4 player(haven’t tested it yet) seems very nice, and the fact that you can now edit the control scheme is very nice.

    4. Selectable delivery points are useful and very cool. Same about the delivery queing system.

    5. The AI robots now have A BRAIN!!!!! I can actually win now! There is an objective!

    6. Even though it isn’t there yet, now there is a Campaign mode button! Now there’s something to look forward to.

    Dislikes;
    1. The enemies still dig down to the brain (the smarter AI seems to have actually made them do so faster).

    2. As has been mentioned, the Ai doesn’t protect its own base. It seems to me, though, that with the Sentry, Patrol, Attack, and Gold Dig behaviors to be implemented, this will be at least mostly fixed in the next build?

    3. The rocket AI shredding the people it just dropped for you is a problem. Perhapse it could be given some extra sensors to heep it from pointing thrusters at teammates? With this, the ships could at least be made to not take off unless its allied actors were out of the way first.

    4. Now that the AI actively tries to kill you, perhapse the amount of money each pixel of gold gives you should be more? It may not be necessary, but I do notice that I get poor much quicker than before.

    5. Setting up controls for my USB-connected Dualshock 2 (PS2) still doesn’t work, or rather it does until I press R1 to fire in-game(my setting). then the game exits to the title screen.

    Still, this is 150% compared to build 11! The upgrades are very nice, so keep up the good work! Thanks!

75. FinDude - # February 17th, 2007 at 1:04 pm

    Agreed, I have 3 suggestions:
    “Skeletons shouldn’t die from losing their head but from losing hands and feet (or torso :p”
    “Accuracy should be reduced when takin’ damage,
    many times died from shooting a clip of smg into some robot and then it has shot back, thus killin’ me”
    “Well, no third, ths game is sooo megasuperultraüberownz0rz!!!”

76. Giant.Metal.Idiot - # February 17th, 2007 at 5:27 pm

    Mah ideas:

    Firstly: Maybe Data could add Lua scripting further on? Imagine the possibilites, you could create entire new game modes!

    Secondly: Mutatators, fans of Unreal will know what these are, but for those of you who don’t, mutators are script files that you can load into the game to “mutate” (hence the name) the gameplay, say you wanted two players fighting one other player, in order to make it fair, you could create a mutator so that the lone player would start with double gold and double brain health.

    Thirdly: Turrets, my idea is that you could have a “turret deployer” thrown weapon, but instead of throwing it far, you would just plant it into the ground, and a few seconds later, an AI controlled turret would appear.

77. Batesman - # February 17th, 2007 at 5:39 pm

    Guys I was just sitting here reading comments when I had an idea.

    Data Could Add Zombies, And when you shoot their body parts, they don’t die until they’ve all been blown off!!!!

    Anybody agree? Please reply to me!!!

78. Fat Zombie - # February 18th, 2007 at 5:17 am

    Played this a bit more and Data, I’m loving the mouse-control. There’s a bit of a problem with it, though; when you’re walking around, or flying, it can be disorientating to suddenly turn around or enter sharp aiming mode. Perhaps an aiming reticule, or at least a dot, showing where the cursor is at the moment would help combat that?

    Apart from that, this is a very good build, and i’m looking forward to those new features you mentioned.

79. robburdon - # February 18th, 2007 at 10:51 am

    nah. mine still does instant win lose.

80. makeshifter - # February 18th, 2007 at 1:45 pm

    either im blind or this is missing a mode where you dont have to fight the computer like regular brain vs brain in all the skirmish battles you fight the computer how about one without.

81. zed - # February 18th, 2007 at 11:20 pm

    mouse aiming it a little buggy, it seems to jump from aiming to the side to aiming staight down far to quickly, which make firing down hills and digging diagonal tunnels far too hard

82. zed - # February 18th, 2007 at 11:21 pm

    mouse aiming it a little buggy, it seems to jump from aiming to the side to aiming staight down far to quickly, which make firing down hills and digging diagonal tunnels far too hard,

    and I would really like to be able to bind sharp aim to one of the extra buttons on my mouse

83. Invertin - # February 19th, 2007 at 2:35 am

    @Makeshifter: Click on skirmish, 2player, then click on the red heart next to player2, then play and it’ll be 2player without any bots.

84. qwerty - # February 22nd, 2007 at 5:50 pm

    I’d just like to say Kudos to a great test build and extremely large improvement over the last one. Great work Data.

    Being able to choose where you want to drop stuff off is a big help too.

    The only problem I’ve had so far is that when playing 2 people, one on the mouse and one on the keyboard, The keyboard fire key overrides the mouse fire key.

    The problem has gotten worse and worse so if anyone knows how to fix it please PM me

85. Jopie - # February 27th, 2007 at 3:48 pm

    Great build! The AI is much harder(and thats great)! The only problem I saw was when I was reloading. When I reload, the arm of the character flips. And it’s also too bad that the delivering time is a lot higher. But it’s GREAT!

86. Mr. Method - # March 3rd, 2007 at 5:21 pm

    Yo where can i get mods and how do i use them. plz tell me cuz i really love this game. although i did notice that this game lacks both a usas 12 and a steyr aug. oh well.

87. Az_440 - # March 7th, 2007 at 6:59 am

    Great build Data! Keep up the good work. Cant wait till the next build.

88. Zack - # March 15th, 2007 at 3:57 pm

    DAMN!!!!!!!!this game rocks my socks it so good i love it but when is test build 14 gana come out and how do i get charactor mods for the game????? ^_^ :]

89. Zack - # March 17th, 2007 at 12:46 pm

    hello data eny 1 r u there?????????

90. Zack - # March 17th, 2007 at 12:55 pm

    there is 1 problem iv been having it get on my nerves when i try to get some thin when 2 or more bodys intersept they loose health or die it alwayes happens 2 me when i want to pick up a wepon on the other sid of a guy so plz fix it data

    thx,
    cortex command gamer

91. Zack - # March 17th, 2007 at 9:49 pm

    C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Application Data\Yahoo!\Mail\attach\Cortex Command D.S
    if this works as a link look at it its a idea for data if this works sa a link

92. Zack - # March 17th, 2007 at 10:36 pm

    http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=78278880&albumID=0&imageID=5011905 yo data take a look at a drop ship idea

93. Monster_94 - # April 8th, 2007 at 12:41 pm

    Why did they do the full Version of cortex command!!!!!???

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